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Removed weapons

Perhaps we can include a section based on the weapons originally seen in the first trailers, but were removed later due to testing?

Examples: Scout Nailgun.

Further information in this thread: http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=659192&highlight=grenade+beartrap

(Suggestion unsigned, originally Nanosheep at 10:44, 19 March 2008)

Single large weapon template

At the moment, we have six distinct templates for weapons (prim, sec, mêlée, unlockable prim, unlockable sec, unlockable mêlée). Such a setup complicates navigation and updating information. (Very often, I find myself wanting to jump e.g. from the flamethrower to the fire axe, but I can't do so because the flamethrower article only contains the primary weapon template.)

I suggest the specific templates be removed and replaced with one large template with the weapons categorized. This approach already works for Wikipedia -- see such complex templates as Template:Nine Inch Nails -- and I don't see it not working for TF2 Wiki. Sure, it is a bit large, but I daresay it's not confusing enough not to be used.

I have already made such a template and am looking for feedback on this particular design as well as the proposal itself.

~~RavuAlHemio 13:57, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

PS3 Version Clans

Can i Create pages dedicated to the PS3 Clans?

i am the leader and founder of The Roughnecks.

i think a PS3 Version Clans section should be created.

i know most of the major Clans personally having gone toe to toe with their various leaders.

Clans include

The Roughnecks

The T-Virus Clan

The Medic Clan

The TF2F Clan

The TF2 Clan

The Drug Clan

The Descent Of Death Clan

thanks for taking the time to read my request.

the reason im not including the PC Clans is that PS3 Clans are overlooked because players Deem Console players to be Inferior People

TF2 Wiki Research Server?

This request isn't quite a site related one, but I think a server dedicated to doing all sorts of "research" that you can't normally do during a game may come in handy. Please at least consider this!

(September 2, 2008; 21:49 site time)

Not really sure what you're looking for, are you talking about a playable game server for testing/research type purposes? Its not a bad idea, but I don't currently have the resources to do it. I'm hoping in the near future to move the wiki to a more robust server. Unfortunately, its taking longer than expected to get the server in place, but with the wiki seems to be holding up for the most part, so I'm not in too much of a hurry. Once that new server is in place, I can see if it has any room to host a game server. Of course, doing so would also likely up the hosting charges as well. Nos 09:12, 03 September 2008 (CST)

(Re:) Yeah, I meant a game server for tests, sorry for not specifying. Obviously if it's going to eat your wallet away you shouldn't do it, but if it's not too much of a problem that would be very nice.

Perhaps one of the many clans that post on here would like to donate a server, or more likely a scheduled period say ever week for wiki testing.Piggie 23:05, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Class Affinities

Sort of to go with the Class Match-up pages, which detail the threat level of each class to every other class, we could have Class Affinities for how well each class works with other classes on the their team. Examples of High affinities might be Engineer and Pyro (spy-checking and dispenser-fueled Walls of Flame), or Medic and Heavy. Some Low affinities I can think of would be e.g. Spy with most classes (bar other Spies and Pyro for "sap and burn" assaults on Sentry nests).

Uh, yeah

There's alot of bullshit on this wiki.

We need REFERENCES, and that needs to be MANDATORY.

The problem with that is that a lot of the information doesn't have external references. I speak for myself when I say I do a lot of my own testing directly with the game. There's nobody else to cite. --Terr 03:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Weapon Firing Speed

It would be nice to know how fast each weapon is fired. This would be another community testing thing, and obviously everything is an estimate, but it's better than having nothing.

--Kilroy 23:41, 19 January 2009 (UTC) Kilroy on 1/19/09

TF2 Memes

Seeing as there are now a fair few TF2 memes, such as the spy crab and the humping sniper, I think that they should be given their own page. Just a thought.

--Bolmedias14 10:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

TF2 Jargon

Just a page with all the lingo that goes on in the games and what it means. Just basically a page with all the terms and their meanings.

e.g. Skywalking, Crab walking, Demoman pimp walk, lagging, spychecking, scout rush, demo rush, sniper hump, crouch jump, sniper war ect.

Glossary of player terms --Wilsonator 03:41, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Boink! 22:42 4/18/09

A welcome to the wiki page and template

I think a welcome to the wiki page, kinda like this one would be nice.
Also, maybe a Welcome to the wiki Template, that we can put on new user's talk pages? So we could place {{Welcome|Smashman}} onto my talkpage and it'll generate some stuff that says "Welcome to TF2 Wiki, Smashman! We are a wiki dedicated to Valve's game, Team Fortress 2." etc. And a link from there, to the Welcome page, mentioned earlier.
Cheers
Smashman 17:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Less intrusive ads

Ads are fine, but some of these ain't. No respectable website should use inline ads and popup ads when logged in, it's really annoying. And Adblock Plus mysteriously stopped working for me months ago so I'm powerless.

Smurfy 05:54, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Seconded, I've always beleived a wiki should have no ads whatsoever. But that's up to the owner, I can't see them making much money anyway. The thought had crossed my mind to buy the servers and webaddress but as the site has just changed hands and we've heard nothing from the new owners as yet, not alot I can do about it. One thing I can say to you Smurfy is you can do the same job as Adblock plus manually anyway, if you're on Windows then look at http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm. Bare in mind though that somethings will stop working, example, Imageshack uses adclick to display images so you can't even view pictures without going through their ad-scheme. DOWN WITH INTERNET ADS! --Aurora 14:10, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

It'd be very nice if we can AT LEAST remove the text-covering pop-ups and the sound ones. If there are extreme amounts of them, it lags my browser. Almost every page has at least 3 sound ones. I don't want to have to mute just to browse a god damn wiki. They are all scams anyways. Dman 17:57, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I wonder if this site is recognized by Valve, and if so, perhaps advertisements to their page, and the Steam page for Team Fortress 2 would be a welcome change.Piggie 20:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

It is recognised, all the editors were given Comminity weapons :D, but Valve don't advertise asaik and probably won't sponsor us at all. On a positive note, we may have some news on the adverts soon, stay tuned. --

urora (talk | contribs) 00:08, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Clan pages

Hi, I am the proud owner of Snakes!? No Problem! and have noticed that eGO have their own TF2wiki page. Is it possible for groups to create their own? Rokonader 16:36, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Perfectly. In fact, that was the original intention, though most clans who put their name on the page have only made an external link to their site instead of creating their own page on the wiki. --Wilsonator 19:07, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

By all means, we've yet to establish any guidlines but in general -

Keep it clean, of a neutral point of view, with no defamation or personal attacks.
Stick to the established guidelines and if you upload images for the use in your clan pages, prefix the images with "Clan_" so you don't run in to naming conflicts.
Add a link to your homepage or forums, should be standard but the reason I mention it is that it will be used for checking clan activity in the future. --urora (talk | contribs) 11:31, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

Allusions and Confirmations

I'm proposing two things: First, I noticed that there were pages titled "References(***)," and just thought that for the sake of professionalism and an attempt to literate the masses these should be replaced with the correct word "Allusions," with a redirect from "References." Perhaps it may seem an overly perfectionist change, but the goal of a wiki is constant revisions to eventual perfection.

My other suggestion regards some of the requests for more citations and such. Since almost every citation in here would resemble "Scout Death Cry" cited "See: Scout Death Cries" or "See: Play Team Fortress, knucklehead. Yeah, I'm talking to you. BONK" it would make more sense to have a one-click button on each page labeled "Confirm." I.e., if someone listed the Wilhelm Scream as a Scout's Death Cry, which I was going to edit in with a citation from Wikipedia's article on "Media that employ the Wilhelm scream", and I only happened upon through the Wikipedia article on said scream just now I have not heard it in-game to confirm, other people could listen for it and, if they find it, could mark a "Confirm" by the mention of the scream on the Allusions(Scout) page. Just an Idea. Piggie 20:43, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't really have an opinion to either of those, I've not had much to do with the reference pages. I think Wilsonator would be the person to answer that one, I believe the culture reference pages were his baby originally. I will say I'm not a fan of the citation idea though, citations should be used to cite information sources to backup facts, not public opinions. Besides, the citation plugin isn't currently installed (it's on the request list) --

urora (talk | contribs) 00:23, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't think in this case it's a matter of literacy or professionalism. Most wikis including Wikipedia itself refer to lists of pop culture referrals etc. as 'references', and 'allusions' itself is only used to describe a casual reference informally, so reference is this case is actually more accurate. That and it would be pretty boring to move over all the reference page names and change all links to them for little visible gain.

On the second suggestion, that's not really how citations are done on most wikis, especially gaming ones and especially yet again for games like TF2 that don't rely so much on plot and sweeping background lore, with most info being difficult to cite properly. This only really comes up in references and the occassional bit of trivia, which can be solved by an external link in the right place. It seems like a lot of work otherwise, although i'm copy-editing the reference pages sometime to see what sounds more speculative and what can be taken as true beyond reasonable doubt. --Wilsonator 03:13, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

As for the allusions, I figured it would be as simple as replacing the words somewhere and all subsequent uses would be affected; I don't know much about how wikis actually function. But with the confirmation system, I don't see why just because it isn't normally used it can't be used here. It would be much easier as well as less work on the part of the individual researcher if when someone says "I think my Scout said this once" other people can confirm, "yes, I heard that too" adding immeasurably to a simple statements credibility. Just an idea, though. For now, what if people just edited in at the end of an article "Confirmations: 1" etc.?

I'm just not sure it's needed, my reasoning being that all the responses are in the GCF files anyway, so we know who says what, the only question is when they say it. For the conditions, it's as simple as someone adding it to the right section, or creating a new section. If someone adds it to the wrong section, someone else will pick up on it and change it, or post a message on the discussion page for a request for research. I don't think another system of adding confirmations to the article and cluttering it up is needed. I'm not trying to shut you down, I just think efforts would be better spent elsewhere, there's plenty still to do in the TF2 Wiki:Tasks. --

urora (talk | contribs) 03:54, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

User Guides

Currently, there's little (if any) distinction between advice derived from 'consensus formulated specifically for the wiki' and 'user guides', specifically video ones; for example, most class pages have in their "See Also" sections links to tutorial videos. I enjoy the inclusion of user guides on the wiki, but they should be categorized and separated as such. I propose that class articles have a link to "Category:[Class] user guides" in their See Also sections instead of the current practice of putting individual guides in See Also sections. A broader category for user guides could also be linked on the Main Page, probably under "Community Projects". G-Mang 05:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. We need some feature to allow for community written guides that can be found and read, but also something denoting they're commuinity content. Possibly a hup page and some sort of tag for the pages like (User Guide). --Wilsonator 01:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Threw this together: Template:UserGuide. What's a hup page? G-Mang 01:49, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Woops, meant a hub page, lol. Keep at it. --Wilsonator 02:35, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Alright, I've gone ahead and implemented the suggestion, or at least a rough draft of it. Thoughts? G-Mang 03:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)