Talk:Griefing
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Something to keep in mind?
Careful not to get too descriptive with some of the descriptions for the various types of griefing; you're going to give people ideas. Addark 05:11, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
Meet the Civilian
- lawl! :)))
Those videos were absolutely hilarious. Still can't quite figure out how they pulled off the thing with the door in the 2nd vid though. Anakronos
Chasing enemies that have gone past you
WTF? So if a spy sneaks past me to get spawn point teleporters, I'm supposed to let them go, or if a soldier sneaks past me I'm supposed to let them rocket me in the back, else I'm griefing? I've removed this bit of insanity from the article. --Southpaw018 19:32, 6 January 2008 (CST)
Open Review
A lot of this article is completely subjective. Can we form a consensus on what really constitutes griefing please? --WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 20:57, 6 January 2008 (CST)
- from wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Griefer
An act of griefing involves the following three types of actions to be considered grief play:
The unfair use or abuse of a game mechanic that was not intended by the game's developers. The inability of the victim to exact some means of retribution beyond utilizing similar unintended game mechanics. The intended purpose of an act of griefing must be to negatively impact the game play of another person. An act of griefing usually meets all these types of criteria as well as any game specific criteria set by the developers of the game--markdeadlydavis 07:47, 7 January 2008 (CST)
- Can the open review be closed after mark'thelawyer'davis' excellent definition then? --Aurora 13:37, 16 January 2008 (CST)
- I've rewritten the page with mark'thelawyer'davis's definition in mind. I tried to be very clear about what is and isn't griefing, and I removed the videos. --Southpaw018 06:43, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- Why have the video's been removed?? --Aurora 10:04, 30 January 2008 (CST)'
- Ditto Aurora. Southpaw, Did you delete the videos because you don't want people performing things that are griefing? If that's the case, I say put them back in so the community can see 1st hand what griefing looks like.--CountDOODOO 12:03, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- Not sure why I removed them. It was 6:00 AM, and I claim lack of caffeine. :) --Southpaw018 18:03, 30 January 2008 (CST)
After rereading all this and with the added benefit of 13 hours since I rewrote the article, let me add why I did it. There appears to be a misconception among some people here on the wiki and in the TF2 community as well as to what, exactly, constitutes griefing. Reread Markd's definition above. The defining characteristic of griefing is that the griefer is specifically attempting to piss off other players. Being an idiot isn't griefing; neither are players that are simply bad at the game, or tactics widely considered cheap or unfair such as planting sticky bombs at spawn or simply turtling to force sudden death. As an additional example, these last two do tick me off, but the players are simply being cheap, and not trying to anger me personally, and so it isn't griefing. Bug abuse, expoliting, and hacking are all very, very rarely griefing unless the hacker is attempting to piss of other people. These things are almost always simply an idiot trying to gain an unfair advantage in the game. Does that help to explain what I'm doing here? --Southpaw018 18:26, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- I think you are trying to distinguish between griefing (the act of ruining the game via game mechanics (eg an engineer not building anything in a game causes grief for the team he is playing on, this could be cause they are an idiot but the end result is the same) and a Griefer ie someone who sets out to ruin the game deliberately by staying in the spawn room or teleporters to the back of your base, sentry guns in a snipers field of view etc--mark"d"davis 04:22, 31 January 2008 (CST)
Exploits = Griefing?
This is mainly directed at SouthPaw, but anyone can chime in. The reason I put that there is it can be used for Griefing, in my opinion at least. I've seen players use the Skywalking exploit on Dustbowl to purely rack up kills, and piss off the opposition. They never win, but they just piss everyone off. Same goes for hacking, some do it to an extreme extent to JUST annoy or piss someone off. I have seen this, anyone else agree or disagree? --Jewbat 18:18, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- I was just typing up more details, above. Hmm. I've actually never seen that! (Thank god.) If you want to add a clarification, I won't remove it again. --Southpaw018 18:26, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- I'll gladly do so. That's the reasoning behind it anywho. I've been in numerous Dustbowl games where I get slaughtered by Sentry Guns floating in the air above the Stage 3, Capture Point 2 location. And it's impossible to take down due to numerous Soldiers, Heavys, and Demomen raining grenades. I'll re-add it in a moment. --Jewbat 18:30, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- I'm not sure if skywalking is greifing (mostly because I'm not sure whether you can be killed up there. Info?), however going under the map (as is gravel pit) with sgs or what ever is definitely griefing. I agree that anything done to just annoy the other team is griefing. --Mr Feline 18:45, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- You can, but good luck on doing so as they have multiple turrets shooting down at you as soon as you leave spawn, with additional Soldiers, Heavys, Demomen, and Snipers shooting downwards. Only person who doesn't immediately get killed is the Spy and you can't do anything with him as the distance is too great. That's why I call it a form of griefing. It's as bad as building turrets underneath the ground. --Jewbat 19:41, 30 January 2008 (CST)
- I wouldn't constitute this as Griefing, rather an exploit. Using exploits repeatedly for the "specific purpose of angering" other players would be Griefing, however if the person using the exploit was doing it simply to win the game then that isn't Griefing. Does that make sense? it's a fine line but Griefing has to be specifically for the intention of angering or annoying people simply for the pleasure of it. --Aurora 05:35, 31 January 2008 (CST)
- True. I specifically put the Skywalking there though, because once up there, it is impossible to win the match. You'd have to kill yourself to do so. Thus it is only to anger the enemy by not letting them even leave their spawn. --Jewbat 15:58, 31 January 2008 (CST)
- Yes but that's not griefing, using an exploit or doing anything just to win the game isn't, otherwise camping would constitute griefing. In fact the use of this exploit sounds more like camping to me than griefing (although I've never seen it and don't know how you get up there in the first place). --Aurora 08:35, 1 February 2008 (CST)
I included 1 more video about griefing, it is funny, hope you all enjoyed.
2nd Video not working
Remove it? --Defx 02:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
Whatchoo' talkin bout Willis? Works fine for me.--Wilsonator 09:38, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
