Talk:Kukri Machete

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I'm confused as to why this page was moved. A "kukri machete" is not a real weapon (at least as far as I can tell, as a search in google returns no creditable results, and there is no mention of it on wikipedia). Also, this page does not follow the naming conventions (only capitalizing the first word).

If the person who moved this could justify it, we'll leave it as is, but for now the article name is confusing, and ambiguous. -- WanderingFox 08:13, 30 November 2007 (CST)

I say turn it back into the old Kukri because I can't find a reasonable number of sources that call the Kukri a Kukri Machete. Most just call it a Kukri. From what I've read, there's different variations of the Kukri such as the Kukri knife and a Kukri sword. The sniper seems to have a Kukri Sword because his is about 12 - 15 inches long unlike the knife which is about 6. I don't think he's using a machete because it doesn't have a curve and it's a lot heavier.

I am a little confused about why is an Australian sniper using a weapon from Nepal? My guess is that the Kukri is a tool possibly used for survival situations. The Sniper does look like someone who could survive in the outback and he did say that he "slept in the corpse of a water buffalo". Maybe that's why. But anyways, IMO we should delete the Machete part because the Kukri is not a Machete.--CountDOODOO 14:10, 30 November 2007 (CST)

"I am a little confused about why is an Australian sniper using a weapon from Nepal?"

The Kukri originated in Nepal but it has since become a favoured knife in the Australian army's inventory, most notably the Gurkha Unit. For this reason it is sometimes known as a 'Gurkha' knife. The Gurkhas are also renowned for wearing 'slouch hats' which should look very familiar to any sniper users. --Wilsonator 18:47, 2 December 2007 (CST)

Nobody really said anything to try to keep it the way it is right now. Should we turn it back to the old "Kukri" and get rid of the Open Review Discussion?--CountDOODOO 16:24, 2 December 2007 (CST)

Gah, Help:Discussion! Anyway, I think the discussion still stands, it's clear there is still a difference of opinion. From my limited knowledge Wilsonator is right in one respect though, the Australian adopt the weapon. However the Gurkha's weren't Australian, originally they were Nepalese and Indian unit's which became famous after serving in the British East India Company army in the 1800's (they existed a long time before this though, dating back to around the 8th century). They didn't formally join the British Army until the 1940's and were only allied with the Royal Australian Regiment in the 1970's (note 'allied'). Totally going off subject now so back to the question, some people (including knife and sword makers) do refer to it as a Kukri Machete, but the British Gurkha's refer to it as simply 'The Kukri', the differences as pointed out is the curved blade but it is actually smaller than a standard Machete, sometimes even referred to as dagger. All that said, my personal opinion is that both are correct and besides, we would have to move all the articles ;p --Aurora 20:03, 2 December 2007 (CST)
It was originally Kukri though >_< Personally, it should be put back to Kukri, and Kukri_Machette should redirect to it. Maybe I'll just email Gabe and see what it was supposed to be :P -- WanderingFox 08:06, 3 December 2007 (CST)
Ok, I have definitive answer because as it happens I work with a guy that used to be in the British Gurkhas and somewhat of a military historian. This guy is fascinating and what he’s told me this morning kept me enthralled. What I said above is pretty much correct but as far as he knows there are no Australian Gurkhas and also the Kukri comes in various sizes, the British issue is bigger than the Nepalese and Indian so the chances are that the sniper uses a British Kukri. He does confirm that it is simply a ‘Kukri’ and not a ‘Kukri Machete’ and also that the Gurkhas do not have a hat with a turned up side, they are flat rimmed hats and the turn up is an Australian and New Zealand tradition that came from using the Gurkha hat and turning the side up to display a badge of their regiment (and since becoming a ‘bush hat’). He doesn’t know for definite why an Australian would be carrying a Kukri but he reckons it was adopted when Australian regiments were fighting in jungle warfare because of its usefulness and has since been a tradition passed on. This is something that’s a common theme of military traditions, using what is useful at the time and passing the tradition on.
So there you go, we can close the open discussion, move the article and change all references to be factually correct. --Aurora 08:30, 3 December 2007 (CST)
After looking in to this it seems the article was moved intentionally on the 30th November by User:VEKrueger. To allow for his input on this debate, as it maybe that he has specialist knowledge, I will leave it marked for open discussion and have left a message for him.--Aurora 13:38, 3 December 2007 (CST)
I hope he responds quickly because I'm getting a little impatient. I am starting to get sick of seeing Kukri Machete instead of the regular Kukri. The sooner he responds, the better IMO.--CountDOODOO 13:47, 3 December 2007 (CST)
The guy who changed it isn't responding to the discussion. He probebly doesn't know the difference between a Kukri and a Machete. Does anyone mind if I end this open review so I can go ahead and change it back to the old Kukri. I'll be sure to add a few pics and sentences that explain the differences between a Kukri and a Machete. --CountDOODOO 07:15, 6 December 2007 (CST)
Yes, I want to give him reasonable time to respond. I was going to do this at the weekend after the switch to new design. At the moment I don't think it's causing to many problems (except for annoying you :P) but we have to give people a chance, he may have gone on holiday or been away on business. I think a week is a reasonable amount of time to respond though. --Aurora 10:34, 6 December 2007 (CST)
I doubt he'll responed. As for the Machete thing, I dont care what its call(I call it Machete but I know its a Kukri), as long as Machete redirects to this I am ok.DontEatRawHagis 11:51, 6 December 2007 (CST)

Note: This page has now been moved to Kukri, however this discussion page will remain here for evidence. --Aurora 20:33, 9 December 2007 (CST)

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