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  • Clean and shorten the General Strategies for the Spy. Put some of those in the Spy strategy article or other articles.


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Ugly Pictures

I couldn't help but notice that the gmod pose of a spy's silhouette is a little awkward. --El

The spy's picture is the only one from red team, we should try to get one from blue. Make em' all match.--Greyfox.ca 07:52, 4 October 2007 (CST)

Actually if you think about it, it fits quite well. He's even standing next to the sniper! )=D Wilsonator 17:01, 4 November 2007 (CST)

To clear things up, the picture I was referring to was the one where a spy is about to stab a heavy --El

To clear things up even more, I was responding to GreyFox's seperate post which was somehow merged with your own topic. Not quite sure how that happened =P --Wilsonator 17:25, 20 December 2007 (CST)

Disguise properties

Has anybody been able to verify whether a disguised spy's health visibly decreases in your mouseover if you shoot at him? -Puddington 12:46, 9 October 2007 (CST)


UPDATE: I verified with my roommate a couple hours ago: the spy's mouseover health indicator does not decrease when he is attacked in this case. -Puddington 22:25, 11 October 2007 (CDT)

Choice of class

About this tip:

  • When you disguise yourself, you take the name of an enemy player that is playing the same class as you. It is crucial that you try to use a class that is well represented by the enemy side to decrease the risk of coming face to face with the person you stole the name from.

I don't think it makes any sense. Statistically, you always have a 1 / (number of enemies) chance of coming face to face with the guy you impersonate, whether he is the only one in this class or not.

What do you think?


When you play a class that is used only by one person, such as the spy, and run into him, he will immediatly know somethings fishy and when he sees his own name he will kill you. Taking the guise of a widely used class by the enemy is better as the one you share a name with will be less likely to check if you have the same name as him. - DontEatRawHagis

  • 21 Dec 07

Choosing to disguise as a class that is represented prevents you being randomly assigned a name, and sticking out to enemies who pay attention to what classes their teammates are. Nothing points you out faster than an enemy seeing a Pyro who they just saw kill 4 people as a sniper/soldier running through their own base.

Aye, the reasoning for picking a class that's actually on the enemy team is because people watch the death logs. At least I do, and if I see someone kill someone with a rocket, and then that guy walks by as a pyro, and I'm not near a spawn... Then he's a spy. -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 09:29, 21 December 2007 (CST)
Equally important is to pick a class that makes sense where you uncloak. If you see a sniper among sentry guns, or an engineer on the sniper deck, or anyone running toward you for any reason, it looks suspicious no matter what his name. Of course, any disguise is basically useless against a competent team. Eddycurrents 10:40, 7 January 2008 (CST)

Spy Strategy...not sure I can really add it to the list but...

--DNA.styx 18:33, 26 October 2007 (CDT)

Equipped weapon when disguised

Does anybody know which weapon you'll show up as wielding while disguised? Is it always the target class' primary weapon or does it vary?

Primary weapon only --Wilsonator 17:39, 12 November 2007 (CST)

Spy Screenshot

Could someone go get one from the BLU team, and replace the one that is currently being used?

All of the other class screenshots are blue, except for the Spy's.--WanderingFox 12:20, 14 November 2007 (CST)

Taunt Sapper and Disguise

Is there a taunt for the sapper, also when disguised do taunts come out as the one you are disguised as or do they not work? DontEatRawHagis 11:12, 29 November 2007 (CST)

The sapper does not have a taunt, the disguise case replaces it (so that the spy has three taunts like everyone else). I'm also pretty sure taunting does not work while disguised, but I'm not certain. -- WanderingFox 11:23, 29 November 2007 (CST)
You are correct; taunting does not work when in disguise. Wildfire 18:13, 22 December 2007 (CST)

He can say what he says when disguised as a enimy spy,but will noy do the movement.I have the game on the xbox so i don't know if this goes for the pc and ps3.Backroom

Move part of the strategy?

This article has a long strategy section in it, see open review on the soldier discussion pages and post your comments there.

Country of Origin

Can someone please cite their sources for the "Country of Origin: Franco-Spain". Various users keep changing this information back and forth, most recently it was changed to "Country of Origin: Somewhere in the region between France and Spain" and has now been changed back again to "Country of Origin: Franco-Spain". Quoting of sources will resolve this. What I know about "Francos Spain" you could fit on a post-it note but I didn't think it was an official area as such, more named because of the period in history within Spain (after the Spanish Civil War between 1939 and 1978, mostly under Fransisco Franco). I'm presuming the "Franco-Spain" is quoted somwhere for it to have been specifically used. --Aurora 07:56, 18 December 2007 (CST)

there's a great deal of discussion on this over at Wikipedia. -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 08:21, 18 December 2007 (CST)
I had changed it to the regions version, I thought it flowed better. -El
Could you clarify what you mean by "the regions version"? (also please check the Help:Discussion pages for guidelines on adding notes to discussions) --Aurora 10:41, 18 December 2007 (CST)
The version you mentioned above. --El
Ahh, I see, ok I understand. Then I guess you must disagree with the Franco-Spain? I don't know much about "Francos Spain" as mentioned, do you know anything about it and can you explain why it's incorrect? --Aurora 17:36, 18 December 2007 (CST)
'Franco-Spain' is just a more concise way of saying 'Somewhere between France and Spain', which is kinda vague and doesn't flow as well imo. People from that region refer to themselves as Franco-Spanish and a few from that area in the TF2 community have even attested that the Spy's accent originates from their region. I don't see why they'd have any reason to lie about this so I trust them.--Wilsonator 03:44, 19 December 2007 (CST)
Fair enough --El
I guess that closes that open review, I will remove the message and add a pointer to here if anyone else should object. --Aurora 12:14, 29 December 2007 (CST)
Clearly not Franco-Spain. We don't know officialy, but in the game he sometimes says Prego when thanking, which is an Italian word for "I pray". He also wears a pinstripe suit, Italian Mafia anyone? Pedroshin 16:44, 13 April 2008 (CDT)
You know, you could just say "Western Europe". AAAAAARRRRR 22:03, 13 April 2008 (CDT)

Bug Behaviour

Aurora - I'd argue it's useful to know about existing bugs on these pages so players are not surprised by them. Wildfire 07:49, 30 December 2007 (CST)

I'd argue that case for Exploits and Glitches, which we have pages for. However bug behavior is something that may only apply to individuals and as such needs testing by multiple people before confirming that it is indeed an issue. The TF2 Wiki is not the place for posting bugs, opinions on game design or individual experiences. If you feel the need to do this, visit the Steam forum, thats what it was designed and setup for. --Aurora 08:35, 30 December 2007 (CST)
What exactly is the difference between a "Glitch" and a "Bug"? why is a frontstab a bug and not a glitch?
You are right that bugs may occur to individuals; however, I see front-stabs occurring to myself and to other players, and being done by myself and other players. If no one else was experiencing this, it is likely I would have noticed.
Finally, I think you're going off at a bit of a tangent. I've posted about a bug here. Why are you talking about opinions on game design and/or individual experiences? Wildfire 14:46, 1 January 2008 (CST)
"Opinions on game design" refers to the Interface Control‎ article, which has still not been addressed. "Individual experiences" refers to the 'bugs' which people have posted (most but not all unconfirmed). Glitch = Confirmed bug, Exploit = The use of a Glitch, it does explain this on both of the articles and indeed the "Facestab" is already on the Exploits article. I was not "going off at a bit of a tangent", I do however take issue with postings of those "Individual experiences" on the wiki and posting information in to incorrect articles (because I have to then spend a long time reviewing, checking and clean them up if needed). To re-iterate, the TF2 Wiki is not a public forum, the Steam forums are the place to post bugs so that others can confirm the facts and Valve can then address them. Yes the TF2 Wiki should give users valuable information (that is the purpose if it after all), but it should be based on confirmed information applicable to all TF2 users. --Aurora 12:20, 2 January 2008 (CST)


Similar to the G-Man

I noticed that The Spies' revolver taunt does the same animation (brush suit and adjusts tie) as what the Gman does in the Half Life games. I think we should put this in but I don't really know where. Any ideas?--CountDOODOO 06:46, 25 January 2008 (CST)

Umm, but thats just a habitual movement...wouldn't you also have to reference every character had the same movement habit? --Aurora 06:59, 25 January 2008 (CST)

Unkown Taunts

There is a lot of taunts not listed here like:


  • "Promess not to bleed on my suit and ill kill you quickly !"---"You are all incopetent cowards !"
  • "Ill be seeeeeing youuuu !"
  • "Tikaboo !"
  • "Why dont he just give up partners ?"
  • "(Whistle)"
  • "Evryone back to the base, partner."
  • "Just let your weapons donw and walk away"(Its "let" not "put")
  • "Im coming for you !"
  • "May I make a suggestion? RUN!"
  • "Your all of you quite out of your dets!"
  • "You know! Hiding wont save you."
  • "They should call you khwayners doctor NOOOOOOOOOOO !" (BTW i didnt understand what is khwyners ?)
  • "Youuu SUCK !"
  • "Zis WILL be Ze last time you see me !"

What are these ? (If you want I can give you the .WAV files) --The_Scorpion 07:31, 5 February 2008 (CST)

There are lot's of quotes within the files that haven't cropped up or people aren't sure when they occur. I've heard a good one that goes "I'm going to gut you like a cornish game hen" or similar, but I don't know which actions trigger it. They will get added when they are understood, but probably in the Spy responses --Aurora 06:53, 5 February 2008 (CST)
Can I add them in Spy responses under "Others" ? There are a lot more ( for other classes) BTW there is a "I'm going to gut you like a cornish game hen" in this page under the knife taunts... --The_Scorpion 07:31, 5 February 2008 (CST)
Oh yeah, I never noticed that, maybe it should be in Spy responses as well... Anyway, yes add a new section but add a description like Note: the following responses have not been assigned to actions due to being unvarified. Or something similar, just so people will know and assign them to actions if they hear them. --Aurora 07:08, 5 February 2008 (CST)
Did it! --The_Scorpion 07:31, 5 February 2008 (CST)
Few edits on the quotes, its "Peekaboo" and "They should call you whiners Doctor NOOOOOOO!" and it is not "Let your weps down" its "lay your weps down". Complete List of TF2 Taunts--Mr Feline 16:54, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

Yeah...

I went through the article today as someone thought it would be funny to place some doujin throughout the article. Hope I fixed it properly.

-Spiegel

P.S. the image in question was [1]

Spy Disguise while Cloaked?

I was reading the strat section and was a bit confused by the whole "disguise while cloaked and people can see the smoke", has this been confirmed? I have seen the smoke but that has always been when a spy cloaks after he has chosen a disguise and you still see the smoke until he is fully cloaked. I've disguised while cloaked in front of people many times and haven't been spotted. Am I just being insane? Or is this what actually happens? --Mr Feline 17:05, 16 March 2008 (CDT)

I'm almost positive that you can see disguise smoke even after you are cloaked, which makes disguising right after cloaking a bit counterproductive. I make it a habit to count to four right after I select a disguise to ensure that any of said smoke is out of sight. -beep 12:30, 6 April 2008 (CDT)
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