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Deletion template

Ah ha, I see you have found the template. A few things needed cleaning up as they were showing in the Uncategorized categories, pages, wanted pages and such. My fault for creating them by mistake so I thought I would make things easy for you instead of telling you each one. As a note, I've already had to explain why the template shouldn’t be used to some people. It should only be applied by the original author, not by another and not on pages that would be classed as alternative terms for an existing article, here a redirect should be used. We certainly don't want users feeling their contributions are unwanted and are being over ruled without their say by deleting their article. So before you delete a page, just check the history and confirm the person that applied the template is the original author, hope this make sense --Aurora 12:03, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Oh by the way, whenever anyone adds the template to a page they are automatically listed under the Category:Articles marked for deletion by user, which is itself part of the Category:Maintenance so you should be able to see a list there. --Aurora 12:11, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Thanks, that makes it really easy for me to do some of that cleanup. I had to make a minor change to the template so the deletion link you put in would work, but other than that, its great. Thanks! --Nos 13:11, 5 December 2007 (CST)

Swedish translation

  • Hello Nos -

Is it possible for TF2Wiki to offer articles translated into various languages in the future? (Like the Steam Support Wiki. I'm a Swedish translator voluenteer there, but could very possibly help out other Wiki's like this one) NearElite 11:55, 19 December 2007 (CST)

[Nos is going to get annoyed with me barging in to his talk pages :)] - It is certainly possible with very few changes. You probably know this already but multi-language support on wikis is implemented by the use of subpages, for example: the Swedish Main Page would be Main Page/sv. All we need to do then is add a laguage template at the bottom of the page to show the supported languages. The only issue is finding translators to translate the current pages, if you can help with this, that would be great. --Aurora 13:17, 19 December 2007 (CST)
Barge away :). You guys are far more active on here than I am... I can barely keep up! As Aurora said, its already built in and I certainly have no objections to translations of pages taking place, I'm all for it! --Nos 14:27, 19 December 2007 (CST)
  • Hello again -

I made a rough translation of the main page into Swedish. The article is called Main Page/sv. Is this how translation is done?/Am I doing it right? :) NearElite 04:44, 21 December 2007 (CST)

I beleive so, I've not had much experience with wiki translations and I am learning as I go. I'm sure we can cleanup and re-arrange things as we go if there is a problem. Also moved this down to a seperate section for clarity. Nos, maybe the Wiki is getting large enough to warrant looking at community discussion pages and/or request pages rather than cluttering up your user page, not really sure how these are setup and run though and won't have much time at the minute to look? --Aurora 08:23, 21 December 2007 (CST)
Language bar template has now been added, see the Template:Languages for instuctions on how to use but it is as simple as adding {{Languages}} at the bottom of any page. --Aurora 13:40, 21 December 2007 (CST)
I'm not really sure the best way to do this either. When I have some time, I'll try and have a look at some of the available modules and see if there is anything that can help us out here. --Nos 12:41, 21 December 2007 (CST)
I've translated the articles about 'pick ups' (Health Ammo Metal). The Language template works, the only tricky thing yet is to translate (if necessary) other templates. NearElite 18:03, 21 December 2007 (CST)
Good work, I've made a few amendments but only minor. The Language template does work but I have a few "issues" with it, mainly the creating of non-existent links of all the languages, these now show up as lots of Wanted pages. Nothing for you to worry about though, I will try and fix as soon as I can but shouldn't stop your work. Regarding the template thing, I still need to investigate how those are going to work (unsure if we need to create a separate page for each language or do something with transclusion) so work around them for the time being. --Aurora 20:43, 21 December 2007 (CST)

Some uploads need 'reviewed'.

The have been posted and removed twice from the wiki already: http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Special:Contributions/InternetHaetAutomaton --DNA.styx 05:27, 23 December 2007 (CST)

Can you also block user and ip address as well please. --Aurora 09:49, 23 December 2007 (CST)
Uploaded a new version of every inappropriate file to mask them until they can be removed. Check the previous version of the files to see why I did so... /sigh -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 14:38, 23 December 2007 (CST)


He's blocked, thanks for alerting me guys. --Nos 00:20, 24 December 2007 (CST)
Can we get deletions on all of the images he uploaded? I've got new revisions of them to hide the content, but that hardly removes the previous images... -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 12:50, 24 December 2007 (CST)

Performance / Errors

Hey Nos, I've implemented a fix for the language templates linking to non-existing pages and therefore showing up in Wantedpages. I'm not sure if this has had some kind of performance hit and/or errors being produced. It could just be my connection but loading pages with the language template on for the first time (i.e. non-cached) seems to take a lot longer than it should. Just check the server logs see if you can see anything untoward, cheers. --Aurora 14:07, 26 December 2007 (CST)

I had a look, and the only thing in the error_log is the stuff I expect to find, basically missing files. Looks like a few scans for known vulnerabilities in various applications (that aren't on this server). Didn't see anything that would make me think there were legitimate errors being generated. --Nos 23:37, 26 December 2007 (CST)
Ok no problem, it must just have been my connection at the time and me being paranoid about multiple nested templates. Cheers for checking. --Aurora 03:51, 27 December 2007 (CST)

Latvian

Hello, could you please add Latvian to the language page? i've translated the main page, and it's url is <main page>/lv Thanks!


P.S by the way, I may be missing some point, but when many articles would be translated into other languages than English, only about 1/3 of 'Random page' would be in the language that the user is searching for, thus making the feature 'Random page' rudimentary.

Latvian wasn't one of the supported languages in the template, not sure why, maybe an oversight by Mediawiki. I've added it in now so it will automatically pick up the /lv pages if they exist.
With regards to the "Random page" feature - I'm not sure what you mean by this? When the "Random page" link is clicked it goes to any page that exists on the wiki, if a Latvian page exists that will be included. The less pages there are in any language, the less chance of it being picked; however if the page picked has multiple languages then the language bar will be available on that page, giving the user the option of displaying the article in whichever language they wish. --Aurora 18:13, 29 December 2007 (CST)


Oh, right. You're right. sorry for bothering :)

No problem, I need to have a look into how categories work with languages though, you've probably noticed the flaw with the Stubs/lv category you've added which doesn't show any articles. I would avoid translating categories until I work out how they are to be translated. --Aurora 08:26, 30 December 2007 (CST)

Yeah, but there is another problem with, for example, http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Soldier/lv The wikicode there states this: {{Class |HEALTH=200 |SPEED=80% |IMAGE=Soldier.jpg |TYPE=<latvian gibbrish>

but apparently the image tf2wiki takes for the class menu, is Soldier/lv.jpg, and we all know that such a file can't exist (tried to upload though). Is this an error in the wikicode? Could you take a look, please? Many thanks.

P.S and pardon me for not leaving info about previous posts - I didn't know how ;) Kidijs 09:18, 1 January 2008 (CST)

Yes it was a problem with the templates looking at the PAGENAME magic word, rather than the BASEPAGENAME. I've now amended this so as default it will always look for the root name, in the case of language subpages like Soldier/lv it will always look for Soldier (even if its several subpages below, i.e. Soldier/weapon/spade/lv will still look for a Soldier.jpg). I don't think it should really be forced to use the BASENAME though, so I have now included an IMAGE and CLASS overloadable parameters to the Class template so they can be forced by the user to any picture or class type if required. All previous templates should remain the same as if these parameters aren't used it will fallback to the BASENAME as explained above.
All very technical but the bottom line is, it's fixed :) --Aurora 21:41, 1 January 2008 (CST)

Google ads

Nos, are the navigation toolbox Google ads really necessary as we already have one set of ads on every page? If they are can they at least be moved to the bottom, under the "toolbox". I cant view full screen at work an getting frustrated by having to scroll down to get to the toolbox - its quiet obtrusive splitting the navigation bars up. --Aurora 13:55, 4 January 2008 (CST)

I'm trialing out some place to put the ads "above the fold" so to speak. There's a possibility I may have to pay a nominal fee every month for hosting, so I'm just playing around with some ad placement. So moving it to the bottom of the navigation isn't really something I'd prefer to do. I thought about doing a horizontal link ad across the top of the page, but that feels even more intrusive. --Nos 16:03, 4 January 2008 (CST)
Ok. You could always setup a donations? I would be willing to chip in if it means no ads :) --Aurora 16:46, 4 January 2008 (CST)
At the very least, put it under the search box. Where it is currently makes it appear as part of the menu, and quite frankly is kind of underhanded :P -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 17:01, 4 January 2008 (CST)
I've pulled them out for the time being until I find out what's going on with the hosting situation. I'm certainly not trying to be underhanded with this. As it is, there wasn't a single click on that ad unit anyways. :) --Nos 23:05, 4 January 2008 (CST)

Imagemap bug?

Nos, I'm having problems getting the <imagemap> extension working with Template variables. Example (in a template): 

<imagemap>
Image:{{{1}}}.jpg
default [[{{{1}}}]]
desc none
</imagemap>

Will fail with an error "<imagemap>: must specify an image in the first line". I think this is the same bug as what's been mentioned at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8600#c1 but I can't work out how to solve it, could you have a look please. --Aurora 13:29, 5 January 2008 (CST)

This appears to solve the problem. -- WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 21:25, 5 January 2008 (CST) 
I found the following simple diff against revision 28900 of Parser.php was
sufficient for my needs:

--- includes/Parser.php.orig    Fri Dec 28 13:31:20 2007
+++ includes/Parser.php Sat Dec 29 15:30:28 2007
@@ -5376,6 +5376,8 @@
                                } else {
                                        $s = $root->textContent;
                                }
+                       } elseif ( $root->nodeName == 'attr' ) {
+                               $s =
$this->parser->replaceVariables($root->nodeValue, $this, 1);
                        } elseif ( $root->nodeName == 'ext' ) {
                                # Extension tag
                                $xpath = new DOMXPath( $root->ownerDocument );


Okay, I'm looking into it, and unfortunately the patch that WanderingFox posted isn't going to work. Apparently that patch is for an earlier version of Parser.php than we're running. We're on MediaWiki 1.11.0, and that version doesn't have that section in Parser.php. Nor does the other patch I found in the bug reports. It looks like most of the patches there are for earlier version of MediaWiki (1.9 presumably), which isn't surprising since all the patches were released before 1.11 was released. It looks like this is still an outstanding bug in 1.11. I'm open to suggestions! --Nos 23:49, 5 January 2008 (CST)

 :S I don't understand bugzilla or how the revisions work, sorry. I was hoping to get a simple "your doing it wrong, do this" answer :p If the date on that fix is Dec 29 15:30, surely thats the latest patch? what revision of Parser.php is in 1.11? --Aurora 11:39, 6 January 2008 (CST)
I'd love to give you a simple answer, I really would. The only "version" information I can find on our current version of Parser.php is 1.6.2 which really doesn't seem to line up with the revision numbers they are using in the bug discussions. However, looking into the patches that are in those discussions, I can tell you that none of them would fit into our version of Parser.php. It looks like they do quarterly releases (and we're running the newest version). Maybe in the next month or so we'll see a new release that either fixes the bug, or moves us to a version of Pareser.php that I can patch. --Nos 12:52, 6 January 2008 (CST)

Further to this we now seem to have a bug in the Cloak article caused by the Featured article tag. It seems to be causing issues with IE and closing the window or crashing IE with error. I've done a bit of digging but couldn't identify what's causing it. As WanderingFox nabbed the FA template code from wikipedia I checked if this happens on any of their FA's, it doesn't. Looking at the code that is produced, it does seem to be rendering the same as wikipedia. Example (forget there being no closing </div> this comes later):

Wikipedia output: 

<div style="right: 10px; display: none;" class="metadata topicon" id="featured-star"><map name="ImageMap_1" id="ImageMap_1"><area href="/wiki/Wikipedia:Featured_articles" shape="rect" coords="0,0,14,14" alt="This is a featured article. Click here for more information." title="This is a featured article. Click here for more information.">
</map>
<div style="position: relative;"><img alt="" src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/60/LinkFA-star.png" usemap="#ImageMap_1" border="0" height="14" width="14"></div>
</div>

TF2 Wiki output: 

<div style="right: 10px; display: none;" class="topicon" align="right">
<div style="position: relative;"><a href="/wiki/Category:Featured_articles" title="Category:Featured articles"><img alt="" src="/w/images/thumb/2/2e/Star.png/12px-Star.png" border="0" height="12" width="12"></a></div>

So I'm guessing from this that Wikipedia are using a different version of the Imagemap extension (as they are virtually the same in the template code and exactly the same css definitions)? Can you have a look see if we are or if I'm talking rubbish and it's something else that's causing the bug. --Aurora 21:26, 17 January 2008 (CST)

Sorry for taking so long to get back to you... life has been nuts for me lately. Work is really busy, and we're doing some renos at home, so time is at a premium. I'll try and have a look at it later this week when things should settle down a bit. --Nos 20:05, 21 January 2008 (CST)


Okay, want to try your changes at http://oldsite.tf2wiki.net Its a mirror image (from Sunday at midnight) of the live sight, but running the latest version of ImageMap. Hopefully that will fix the bugs you've been encountering. Let me know if it works, and I can put the new version of the extension on the live site. Nos 16:00, 28 January 2008 (CST)
Still got the same problems, I've left the code in there so you can have a look at what I'm trying to do in the Template:Match-Up.
The second problem isn't as bad as I first thought, it only seems to crash on my machines (both home and work, which both have IE6 SP2 on). WanderingFox tried viewing the featured articles on his machine with IE6 (not sure which version) and they were ok. I've had a fresh look into the output, and the difference between 'pedia's imagemaps and our anchors is due to them using a specific 'rect' and our's using a 'default'. Changing the template to use a 'rect' doesn't make any difference though, it still crashes IE. It is exactly the same Imagemap version that they use and the css is the same as well (ie "topicon"). That only leaves the id="featured-star" which I'm presuming doesn't do much, so I'm a bit stumped as to why this happens. I would be interested to see if your IE crashes when viewing FA's --Aurora 19:15, 28 January 2008 (CST)
Hmmm, that's really wired. I don't have IE6 at home, only IE7, under which it looks fine. I can try tomorrow at work and see what it looks like under IE6 SP2 though. That being said, unless I'm mistaken, IE7 is going to be pretty much mandatory in the near future anyways (at least from MS). Too many bugs and security issues in IE6 (which anyone who's done web development knows!). --Nos 20:33, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Article protection

Nos, can you have a look at protecting or semi-protecting a few pages, mainly the Main page but some templates could do with protecting from random changes (Languages is a good example because of the wide spread implications if dodgy changes are made). I don't know much about protection and who has right's to make amendements after they are (semi)protected. Recently a few additions have been made to the Main page which, although not incorrect, are linking to articles that haven't gone through any kind of editing/content reviews. The articles still need the content varifying for validity or in the case of the Featured articles, approving and updating of related articles. --Aurora 12:40, 28 January 2008 (CST)

I'm looking into it. I was hoping to add a group that could protect and edit protected pages. This seems to be the case with the 'protect' user permission, but from some reason, doesn't seem to be working on the test site. I'll keep looking into it. --Nos 16:00, 28 January 2008 (CST)
I see the "Protect" tab on the test site which gives me the option to set the protection, but I didn't want to set anything because there's only "Block unregistered users" and "Sysop only" options. I can still edit the main page as it stands without problems though. Not sure if this helps? --Aurora 19:20, 28 January 2008 (CST)
Okay, I gave it a try with my test account (Nos-test) and it seems to work. You can set a page to protect and sysop only, and anyone I give permissions to should still be able to edit and protect/unprotect pages. I haven't made these changes on the live site yet, just on the test site. --Nos 20:31, 28 January 2008 (CST)

Xsuperblobx

This user has just messed the scout page up changed New York to Jew York amongst a few other changes not sure what you can do ?--mark"d"davis 07:13, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Thanks for letting me know, he's been blocked. --Nos 08:30, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Is this permanent and IP as well as account name? It shows as blocked for a week in the changes log --Aurora 09:13, 30 January 2008 (CST)
I only blocked for a week for now. I'm trying not to be too harsh, he did only change one page. If after a week he comes back and does similar things, it'll be permanent. --Nos 11:00, 30 January 2008 (CST)
I would normally agree but referring to it as "Jew York" is just damn bigoted. --Aurora 11:12, 30 January 2008 (CST)
You're right. Its a permanent block now. --Nos 13:25, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Man, I hate bigots. All oxymorons aside, I'm still suprised that's only the second person we've really had problems with. --WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 13:39, 30 January 2008 (CST)
It is yeah, but won't be the last ;) --Aurora 15:44, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Especially now that we've brought up how fortunate we are :) --Nos 19:55, 30 January 2008 (CST)
Murphy's Law anyone? =) --Jewbat 22:02, 30 January 2008 (CST)

Article merit issues

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Team_Roomba

I dont think you want this on the TF2 wiki --mark"d"davis 04:12, 8 February 2008 (CST)

I thought the same but rather than just remove it, like I have with other items, I decided to think about it. I'm still undecided because it is information about the group, even if the group specialises in griefing. If it was removed, why wouldn't the Control Point podcast be removed as well? I'm still undecided because it isn't necessarily promoting the group or their activities, just informing people who they are. In spirit of fairness and not wanting to invalidate people's contributions I think it needs to be discussed first. (btw I'm moving this to it's own section as it's not to do with Xsuperblobx). Nos, your thoughts? --Aurora 05:55, 8 February 2008 (CST)
i agree ish with aurora but the wording makes it sound a good thing, maybe it should be in the griefing section under the title the team responsible for the videos linked above is team roomba from their home page they describe themselves as ...--mark"d"davis 06:05, 8 February 2008 (CST)
Granted, maybe I should rephrase that slightly. "I'm still undecided because it is information about the group, even if the group specialises in griefing" should probably say "I'm still undecided because it should be an informative article about the group, even if the group specialises in griefing". If it was reworded to be neutral, would there still be any issue with having it on the wiki? --Aurora 06:25, 8 February 2008 (CST)
My issue with the article is that it's promotion, regardless of if it's intentional or not. Remember folk's TF2 Wiki is getting very popular (just about to hit the 1.5mil views, and we get a something like 80-100k a day now). Do we really want to shed more light onto these groups? The article isn't likely to get any larger than it is already without it becoming a griefing fest itself. I don't see a reason to include them when all they do is seek to destroy the fun of the game for others. Just my 2 cents. --WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 12:02, 8 February 2008 (CST)
This is a tough call. Obviously the group has some notoriety on the Internet, judging just by the views on their youtube videos. On one hand, there's the danger of seemingly promoting them, on the other hand, informing the community at large of such groups is not necessarily a bad thing. As the article is currently written, its definitely not worthy of being on this wiki. Its very one sided and promotes griefing. Given that a couple of their videos are linked to on the site, I think I'm leaning to keeping the page, but rewriting it. Of course, since there's a limited amount of information about this group (that I know of), the resulting rewrite may be too short to really qualify as a page. --Nos 23:28, 9 February 2008 (CST)
Okay, I marked it for open review, but the more I think about it the more I think it shouldn't be there. If Team Roomba wants to make positive contributions to the site, that's fine, and if they want to link to their site on their user pages, I don't have a problem. Perhaps, more appropriately, we should add to the griefing page, or start a new page, on dealing with griefing, both from a player perspective, and a server administrator perspective. --Nos 23:28, 9 February 2008 (CST)
To save arguement I would say let's remove it, I don't mind there being an article on them but it must be purely neutral about the group. If Team Roomba want to write it themselves, I would prefer that to someone else writing it, but again it would have to be reviewed to make sure it wasn't publicity, propaganda and was neutral. --Aurora 11:50, 11 February 2008 (CST)

Another defacement needs action.

Special:Contributions/That_sentry_is_a_spy Pair of porn images (I've overwritten them so check the previous revisions of the files). Both files are marked with delete-author so they should be pretty easy to find. --WanderingFox (Talk • Contribs) 20:14, 9 February 2008 (CST)

Thanks for letting me know. I've deleted the images and blocked the user. --Nos 23:32, 9 February 2008 (CST)
How come they were able to change the Main page, I thought this was supposed to be protected? --Aurora 05:20, 11 February 2008 (CST)
My fault. I did it on the test site, but never migrated the changes to the live site. This has now been done. Yourself and WanderingFox both have permissions to protect (and unprotect) pages. --Nos 08:54, 12 February 2008 (CST)
Good stuff, I can see the new tab now but haven't tried it. I suspect everything will work without a hitch, but if there is any issues I'll give you a shout. --Aurora 09:16, 12 February 2008 (CST)
Update: The options we have only seem to be "Block unregistered users" and "Sysop only". Checking the Main page I can see you've set it to "Block unregistered users", the question arises that, does that mean registered users can still edit it? Because the defacements we've had have been from people who registered and the changed the pages, would they still not be able to do this? I'm not trying to gain any additional privelages (I didn't expect privelage to protect pages) and would gladly ask you to make changes to the front page when needed if you want to set it to "Sysop only", but I think it needs to be higher than "Block unregistered users" if the above is true. --Aurora 09:29, 12 February 2008 (CST)
Should have made that clear I guess. You have "sysop" privileges as far as protecting pages go. So you can set it to sysop, and only the three of us will have permissions to edit those pages. --Nos 09:30, 12 February 2008 (CST)
Ahh ok, my fault for being a dumbass. I've just protected the language template and it seems to be working ok. A word of caution for WanderingFox though, don't use the 'cascade' feature, I just did with the template and killed the server :$ --Aurora 11:00, 12 February 2008 (CST)
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